Thursday, November 04, 2010

Gente~ No Manchen-Don't Bust Our Balls Re "LEGALIZATION OR NO RE-ELECTION."+Comment

From: javier rodriguez  

To: A.beltran Ymail email ; ; ; ; dorinda moreno  

Sent: Thu, November 4, 2010 1:27:46 PM

Subject: [NetworkAztlan_News] No Manchen-Don't Bust Our Balls Re "LEGALIZATION OR NO RE-ELECTION."

To all

With all due respect to all of you who are pretending that "Legalization or No Reelection" was the most popular theme or chant. The claim would be credible if it's accompanied by a sort of objective scientific poll or study. Otherwise "no manchen" or as our Eastern region folks say "don't bust our balls". I followed the elections since some time ago and for Latinos and immigrants -with labor, church, national and regional Latino organizations, immigrant rights NGOs, Democratic Party and most Latino elected leaders leading the way- in comparative relative numbers, with probably some exceptions like the hard line Cubans in Florida, I observed they voted significantly for those that are closest to their issues and their potential resolution.  Grijalva, Arizona, Nevada, California are but a few examples and in the next few days we shall see the national polls, including, SVREP's, NALEO's, NCLR's, La Opinion and more,  confirming this assertion. A better presumption is "no jobs, no fixing the economy, still giving the country away to the corporate global monster, continuing the wars, etc. = no reelection". And the latter battle cry was probably most absorved by the center and the independents. The problem is the path they took. It is still overwhelmingly a "blue and red electoral game"


Javier Rodriguez

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Subject: [NetworkAztlan_News] "LEGALIZATION OR NO RE-ELECTION."

To: "A.beltran Ymail email" <>

    Date: Thursday, November 4, 2010, 6:12 AM

    October 29, 2010



    We Really Meant It!

    Voto de Castigo


    The slogan that gained great popularity during the mass MAY DAY marches of 2010 nationally was "LEGALIZATION OR NO RE-ELECTION." The real question before the many organizations and individuals that adopted this slogan as a declaratory refrain directed at the political party in power, the Democratic Party, is did they really mean it?

    Traditionally most organizations tied to or close to the Democratic Party are politically challenged when it comes to addressing issues of non-compliance by the elected officials of their party of preference. Did they comply with their promises made prior to the election? And, if they did not, what are the consequences?

    At this stage, no one can question the role of the Latino vote in the 2006 and 2008 primary and general elections nationally. The Democratic Party made no bones about promoting their slogan of "today we march, tomorrow we vote" immediately after the "Great American Economic Boycott" of May 1st, 2006, which mobilized millions to the streets in favor of progressive immigration reform. The 2008 elections were a repeat of the former if not on a grander scale led by the co-opted slogan and campaign of "Si Se Puede - Yes We Can." The Democratic Party majorities of both houses of the U.S. Congress can be directly attributed to the Latino vote in both mainstay and swing-states and districts, nationally.

    Today, Latinos are experiencing a higher rate of unemployment than the national norm, cascading foreclosures in all barrios and decreased home-ownership rates, exclusion from the president's healthcare reform, higher incarceration rates, and a disproportionate death rate to our population figures in the never-ending imperial wars against the peoples of Iraq and Afghanistan.

    We have nothing to be happy about and everything to feel disdain and disillusionment with the political power-brokers in Washington, D.C. and the White House.

    Well, yes, we meant it! NO re-election for the elected officials and their party in power until we secure LEGALIZATION for our families. We will not be talked down to by President Obama or held hostage to his dismissive declaration that things will be worst with the opposition party, the Republican. We too participated in the historic civil rights movement alongside our African American brothers and sisters in every barrio of consequence in the U.S. during the 1950s, 1960s, and 1970s.

    Detentions and deportations of our families are up 30 percent above the previous administration; the border wall has expanded; national guard troops are stationed along the southern border with Mexico; the Secured Communities Program - collaboration between Homeland Security and local police - has been expanded to historic levels; fees for immigration processing are on the rise; no-match social security investigations have been expanded nationally as never before. Every immigration enforcement indicator directed against immigrant workers and their families has increased under this administration, with absolutely no relief in sight.

    Their must be consequences for bad policies and even worst actions, Mr. President. Contrariwise, no one can speak with any seriousness or authority about political accountability. LEGALIZATION or NO RE-ELECTION is most appropriate at this election juncture of November 2010.


    Join us in this prolonged campaign for driver's  licenses  and visas for our families. The first step in making  change is to join an organization that pursues the  change we desire. We welcome you to our ranks.

    Other organizations leading this movement include:

    Hermandad Mexicana Latinoamericana, Mexican

    American Political Association (MAPA), MAPA

    Youth Leadership, Southern California Immigration

    Coalition, Liberty and Justice for Immigrants

    Movement, National Alliance for Immigrant's Rights,

    and immigrant's rights coalitions throughout the U.S..


    Nativo V. Lopez, National President of MAPA (323) 269-1575

Join the Mexican American Political Association mailing list


From: Rosalio Munoz <   

To:      Joelle Fishman ; Dorinda Moreno      


Here is the web address for their power point


Jerry Brown and Barbara Boxer got 86% of the Latino vote!

Comment: Each of us must come to our own conclusions and follow the dictates of our consciousness. I did not ever believe that POTUS Obama would come out with any kind of Legalization before the Mid-Term Elections. He has been playing La Raza and progressives with more false promises as he did to get Elected. He is a pawn for the fascist-corporate ruling class and has been easily co-opted. Gates should of given us a clue.

I am NOT ever going to Vote for POTUS Obama no matter what happens in regards to 'the Mexican immigrant issue'. I am not going to propose to any Mexican in Aztlan to go back to Mexico and go to the back of any line! I quit the Democratic Party when POTUS Obama escalated the War in AghanisNAM in the graveyard of empires.

Let us strive for a Peaceful Revolution, while keeping our options open. Mere immigration reform will never be enough. Plus there are other core issues we need to work on: urban poverty, matrix building with natural allies, literacy, prisons etc.

+"Children of the Exodus:" Surge of Deportations Endangers
Migrant Youth Abandoned in Mexico >

P.S. I reformatted previous Emails for better readability. 
Unidos Venceremos! United We Will Win!

PETER S. LOPEZ AKA: Peta-de-Aztlan
Barrio Cinco, Sacramento, California
"An invasion of armies can be resisted, but not an idea whose time has come." ~ Victor Hugo


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